What is this forest call’d?
What is this forest call’d?
What is this forest call’d?
what this forest call’d?
’Tis Gaultree Forest, an ’t shall please your Grace.
’Tis Gaultree Forest, an ’t shall please your Grace.
’Tis Gaultree Forest, an ’t shall please your Grace.
’tis gaultree forest,
Here stand, my lords, and send discoverers forth
To know the numbers of our enemies.
Here stand, my lords, and send discoverers forth To know the numbers of our enemies.
Here stand, my lords, and send discoverers forth To know the numbers of our enemies.
here stand, lords, and
We have sent forth already.
We have sent forth already.
We have sent forth already.
have sent forth already.
’Tis well done.
My friends and brethren in these great affairs,
I must acquaint you that I have received
New-dated letters from Northumberland,
Their cold intent, tenor, and substance, thus:
Here doth he wish his person, with such powers
As might hold sortance with his quality,
The which he could not levy; whereupon
He is retired, to ripe his growing fortunes,
To Scotland, and concludes in hearty prayers
That your attempts may overlive the hazard
And fearful meeting of their opposite.
’Tis well done. My friends and brethren in these great affairs, I must acquaint you that I have received New-dated letters from Northumberland, Their cold intent, tenor, and substance, thus: Here does he wish his person, with such powers As might hold sortance with his quality, The which he could not levy; whereupon He is retired, to ripe his growing fortunes, To Scotland, and concludes in hearty prayers That your attempts may overlive the hazard And fearful meeting of their opposite.
’Tis well done. My friends and brethren in these great affairs, I must acquaint you that I have received New-dated letters from Northumberla...
’tis well done. friends
Mowbray speaks with the instinctive suspicion of a man who has reason not to trust royal promises — his father was betrayed by the crown in Richard II. He doesn't have an argument, exactly, but he has a feeling, and in this play feelings are almost always right and arguments are almost always wrong.
Thus do the hopes we have in him touch ground
And dash themselves to pieces.
Thus do the hopes we have in him touch ground And dash themselves to pieces.
Thus do the hopes we have in him touch ground And dash themselves to pieces.
thus the hopes
Now, what news?
Now, what news?
Now, what news?
now, what news?
Westmoreland's speech to the Archbishop — 'turning your books to graves, your ink to blood, your pens to lances' — is a masterwork of political rhetoric. He doesn't engage with the rebels' grievances at all. Instead he undermines the Archbishop's right to be there by contrasting his peacetime identity (robes, books, learning) with his wartime role. The technique is called 'ethos attack' in classical rhetoric: destroy the speaker's credibility rather than answer the argument. It almost works. The Archbishop gives an equally sophisticated response. But Westmoreland's goal isn't to win the argument — it's to begin the process of psychological disarmament that Prince John will complete in 4-2.
West of this forest, scarcely off a mile,
In goodly form comes on the enemy,
And, by the ground they hide, I judge their number
Upon or near the rate of thirty thousand.
West of this forest, scarcely off a mile, In goodly form comes on the enemy, And, by the ground they hide, I judge their number Upon or near the rate of thirty thousand.
West of this forest, scarcely off a mile, In goodly form comes on the enemy, And, by the ground they hide, I judge their number Upon or near...
west this forest, scarcely
The just proportion that we gave them out.
Let us sway on and face them in the field.
The just proportion that we gave them out. Let us sway on and face them in the field.
The just proportion that we gave them out. Let us sway on and face them in the field.
the just proportion that
What well-appointed leader fronts us here?
What well-appointed leader fronts us here?
What well-appointed leader fronts us here?
what well-appointed leader fronts
I think it is my Lord of Westmoreland.
I think it is my Lord of Westmoreland.
I think it is my Lord of Westmoreland.
think
Westmoreland speaks in the smooth, formal register of a skilled royal diplomat — making the crown's case with polish and occasional contempt. His attack on the Archbishop is more rhetorical than sincere: he doesn't actually believe a clergyman can't be wronged, he's trying to undermine the rebellion's moral authority.
Health and fair greeting from our general,
The prince, Lord John and Duke of Lancaster.
Health and fair greeting from our general, The prince, Lord John and Duke of Lancaster.
Health and fair greeting from our general, The prince, Lord John and Duke of Lancaster.
health and fair greeting from
Say on, my Lord of Westmoreland, in peace,
What doth concern your coming.
Say on, my Lord of Westmoreland, in peace, What does concern your coming.
Say on, my Lord of Westmoreland, in peace, What does concern your coming.
say on, lord
Then, my lord,
Unto your Grace do I in chief address
The substance of my speech. If that rebellion
Came like itself, in base and abject routs,
Led on by bloody youth, guarded with rags,
And countenanced by boys and beggary;
I say, if damn’d commotion so appear’d
In his true, native, and most proper shape,
You, reverend father, and these noble lords
Had not been here to dress the ugly form
Of base and bloody insurrection
With your fair honours. You, Lord Archbishop,
Whose see is by a civil peace maintain’d,
Whose beard the silver hand of peace hath touch’d,
Whose learning and good letters peace hath tutor’d,
Whose white investments figure innocence,
The dove and very blessed spirit of peace,
Wherefore you do so ill translate yourself
Out of the speech of peace that bears such grace,
Into the harsh and boisterous tongue of war;
Turning your books to graves, your ink to blood,
Your pens to lances and your tongue divine
To a loud trumpet and a point of war?
Then, my lord, Unto your Grace do I in chief address The substance of my speech. If that rebellion Came like itself, in base and abject routs, Led on by bloody youth, guarded with rags, And countenanced by boys and beggary; I say, if damn’d commotion so appear’d In his true, native, and most proper shape, You, reverend father, and these noble lords Had not been here to dress the ugly form Of base and bloody insurrection With your fair honours. You, Lord Archbishop, Whose see is by a civil peace maintain’d, Whose beard the silver hand of peace has touch’d, Whose learning and good letters peace has tutor’d, Whose white investments figure innocence, The dove and very blessed spirit of peace, Wherefore you do so ill translate yourself Out of the speech of peace that bears such grace, Into the harsh and boisterous tongue of war; Turning your books to graves, your ink to blood, Your pens to lances and your tongue divine To a loud trumpet and a point of war?
Then, my lord, Unto your Grace do I in chief address The substance of my speech. If that rebellion Came like itself, in base and abject rout...
then, lord, unto your
Wherefore do I this? So the question stands.
Briefly to this end: we are all diseased,
And with our surfeiting and wanton hours
Have brought ourselves into a burning fever,
And we must bleed for it; of which disease
Our late King Richard, being infected, died.
But, my most noble Lord of Westmoreland,
I take not on me here as a physician,
Nor do I as an enemy to peace
Troop in the throngs of military men,
But rather show awhile like fearful war
To diet rank minds sick of happiness,
And purge th’ obstructions which begin to stop
Our very veins of life. Hear me more plainly.
I have in equal balance justly weigh’d
What wrongs our arms may do, what wrongs we suffer,
And find our griefs heavier than our offences.
We see which way the stream of time doth run,
And are enforced from our most quiet there
By the rough torrent of occasion,
And have the summary of all our griefs,
When time shall serve, to show in articles;
Which long ere this we offer’d to the King
And might by no suit gain our audience.
When we are wrong’d and would unfold our griefs,
We are denied access unto his person
Even by those men that most have done us wrong.
The dangers of the days but newly gone,
Whose memory is written on the earth
With yet-appearing blood, and the examples
Of every minute’s instance, present now,
Hath put us in these ill-beseeming arms,
Not to break peace or any branch of it,
But to establish here a peace indeed,
Concurring both in name and quality.
Wherefore do I this? So the question stands. Briefly to this end: we are all diseased, And with our surfeiting and wanton hours Have brought ourselves into a burning fever, And we must bleed for it; of which disease Our late King Richard, being infected, died. But, my most noble Lord of Westmoreland, I take not on me here as a physician, Nor do I as an enemy to peace Troop in the throngs of military men, But rather show awhile like fearful war To diet rank minds sick of happiness, And purge th’ obstructions which begin to stop Our very veins of life. Hear me more plainly. I have in equal balance justly weigh’d What wrongs our arms may do, what wrongs we suffer, And find our griefs heavier than our offences. We see which way the stream of time does run, And are enforced from our most quiet there By the rough torrent of occasion, And have the summary of all our griefs, When time shall serve, to show in articles; Which long ere this we offer’d to the King And might by no suit gain our audience. When we are wrong’d and would unfold our griefs, We are denied access unto his person Even by those men that most have done us wrong. The dangers of the days but newly gone, Whose memory is written on the earth With yet-appearing blood, and the examples Of every minute’s instance, present now, has put us in these ill-beseeming arms, Not to break peace or any branch of it, But to establish here a peace indeed, Concurring both in name and quality.
Wherefore do I this? So the question stands. Briefly to this end: we are all diseased, And with our surfeiting and wanton hours Have brought...
wherefore this?
Mowbray is the most interesting figure in this scene precisely because he has no strong argument — just a feeling. He votes against parley, suspects policy rather than mercy, and senses the trap. Everything he says is right. And yet he goes along with the Archbishop and Hastings because he can't counter their logic. Shakespeare uses this to show something about the limits of argument: the Archbishop's reasoning is sophisticated and probably sincere, but it leads him and Hastings to a catastrophically wrong conclusion, while Mowbray's inarticulate gut feeling was accurate all along. The man who can't argue is the one who sees clearly.
Whenever yet was your appeal denied?
Wherein have you been galled by the King?
What peer hath been suborn’d to grate on you,
That you should seal this lawless bloody book
Of forged rebellion with a seal divine
And consecrate commotion’s bitter edge?
Whenever yet was your appeal denied? Wherein have you been galled by the King? What peer has been suborn’d to grate on you, That you should seal this lawless bloody book Of forged rebellion with a seal divine And consecrate commotion’s bitter edge?
Whenever yet was your appeal denied? Wherein have you been galled by the King? What peer has been suborn’d to grate on you, That you should ...
whenever yet was your appeal
My brother general, the commonwealth,
To brother born an household cruelty,
I make my quarrel in particular.
My brother general, the commonwealth, To brother born an household cruelty, I make my quarrel in particular.
My brother general, the commonwealth, To brother born an household cruelty, I make my quarrel in particular.
brother general, the commonwealth,
There is no need of any such redress,
Or if there were, it not belongs to you.
There is no need of any such redress, Or if there were, it not belongs to you.
There is no need of any such redress, Or if there were, it not belongs to you.
there need
Why not to him in part, and to us all
That feel the bruises of the days before,
And suffer the condition of these times
To lay a heavy and unequal hand
Upon our honours?
Why not to him in part, and to us all That feel the bruises of the days before, And suffer the condition of these times To lay a heavy and unequal hand Upon our honours?
Why not to him in part, and to us all That feel the bruises of the days before, And suffer the condition of these times To lay a heavy and u...
why not him
O, my good Lord Mowbray,
Construe the times to their necessities,
And you shall say indeed, it is the time,
And not the King, that doth you injuries.
Yet for your part, it not appears to me
Either from the King or in the present time
That you should have an inch of any ground
To build a grief on. Were you not restored
To all the Duke of Norfolk’s signories,
Your noble and right well rememb’red father’s?
O, my good Lord Mowbray, Construe the times to their necessities, And you shall say indeed, it is the time, And not the King, that does you injuries. Yet for your part, it not appears to me Either from the King or in the present time That you should have an inch of any ground To build a grief on. Were you not restored To all the Duke of Norfolk’s signories, Your noble and right well rememb’red father’s?
O, my good Lord Mowbray, Construe the times to their necessities, And you shall say indeed, it is the time, And not the King, that does you ...
good lord mowbray,
What thing, in honour, had my father lost,
That need to be revived and breathed in me?
The King that loved him, as the state stood then,
Was force perforce compell’d to banish him,
And then that Henry Bolingbroke and he,
Being mounted and both roused in their seats,
Their neighing coursers daring of the spur,
Their armed staves in charge, their beavers down,
Their eyes of fire sparkling through sights of steel,
And the loud trumpet blowing them together,
Then, then, when there was nothing could have stay’d
My father from the breast of Bolingbroke,
O, when the King did throw his warder down,
His own life hung upon the staff he threw;
Then threw he down himself and all their lives
That by indictment and by dint of sword
Have since miscarried under Bolingbroke.
What thing, in honour, had my father lost, That need to be revived and breathed in me? The King that loved him, as the state stood then, Was force perforce compell’d to banish him, And then that Henry Bolingbroke and he, Being mounted and both roused in their seats, Their neighing coursers daring of the spur, Their armed staves in charge, their beavers down, Their eyes of fire sparkling through sights of steel, And the loud trumpet blowing them together, Then, then, when there was nothing could have stay’d My father from the breast of Bolingbroke, O, when the King did throw his warder down, His own life hung upon the staff he threw; Then threw he down himself and all their lives That by indictment and by dint of sword Have since miscarried under Bolingbroke.
What thing, in honour, had my father lost, That need to be revived and breathed in me? The King that loved him, as the state stood then, Was...
what thing, honour, had
You speak, Lord Mowbray, now you know not what.
The Earl of Hereford was reputed then
In England the most valiant gentleman.
Who knows on whom fortune would then have smiled?
But if your father had been victor there,
He ne’er had borne it out of Coventry;
For all the country in a general voice
Cried hate upon him; and all their prayers and love
Were set on Hereford, whom they doted on
And bless’d and graced, indeed more than the King.
But this is mere digression from my purpose.
Here come I from our princely general
To know your griefs, to tell you from his Grace
That he will give you audience; and wherein
It shall appear that your demands are just,
You shall enjoy them, everything set off
That might so much as think you enemies.
You speak, Lord Mowbray, now you know not what. The Earl of Hereford was reputed then In England the most valiant gentleman. Who knows on whom fortune would then have smiled? But if your father had been victor there, He ne’er had borne it out of Coventry; For all the country in a general voice Cried hate upon him; and all their prayers and love Were set on Hereford, whom they doted on And bless’d and graced, indeed more than the King. But this is mere digression from my purpose. Here come I from our princely general To know your griefs, to tell you from his Grace That he will give you audience; and wherein It shall appear that your demands are just, You shall enjoy them, everything set off That might so much as think you enemies.
You speak, Lord Mowbray, now you know not what. The Earl of Hereford was reputed then In England the most valiant gentleman. Who knows on wh...
you speak, lord mowbray, now
But he hath forc’d us to compel this offer,
And it proceeds from policy, not love.
But he has forc’d us to compel this offer, And it proceeds from policy, not love.
But he has forc’d us to compel this offer, And it proceeds from policy, not love.
but hath forc’d
Mowbray, you overween to take it so;
This offer comes from mercy, not from fear.
For, lo, within a ken our army lies,
Upon mine honour, all too confident
To give admittance to a thought of fear.
Our battle is more full of names than yours,
Our men more perfect in the use of arms,
Our armour all as strong, our cause the best;
Then reason will our hearts should be as good.
Say you not then our offer is compell’d.
Mowbray, you overween to take it so; This offer comes from mercy, not from fear. For, lo, within a ken our army lies, Upon mine honour, all too confident To give admittance to a thought of fear. Our battle is more full of names than yours, Our men more perfect in the use of arms, Our armour all as strong, our cause the best; Then reason will our hearts should be as good. Say you not then our offer is compell’d.
Mowbray, you overween to take it so; This offer comes from mercy, not from fear. For, lo, within a ken our army lies, Upon mine honour, all ...
mowbray, you overween take
Both Henry IV (in 3-1) and the Archbishop (in 4-1) use the metaphor of the state as a diseased body requiring treatment. Henry sees the Archbishop's rebellion as the disease. The Archbishop sees royal corruption as the disease and the rebellion as the required bloodletting. This is not just poetic coincidence — Shakespeare is showing that the same political metaphor can support opposite conclusions depending on who uses it and what they're defending. Neither man is wrong about the state being diseased. They disagree about which body part is the infection.
Well, by my will we shall admit no parley.
Well, by my will we shall admit no parley.
Well, by my will we shall admit no parley.
well, will
That argues but the shame of your offence:
A rotten case abides no handling.
That argues but the shame of your offence: A rotten case abides no handling.
That argues but the shame of your offence: A rotten case abides no handling.
that argues but the shame
Hath the Prince John a full commission,
In very ample virtue of his father,
To hear and absolutely to determine
Of what conditions we shall stand upon?
has the Prince John a full commission, In very ample virtue of his father, To hear and absolutely to determine Of what conditions we shall stand upon?
has the Prince John a full commission, In very ample virtue of his father, To hear and absolutely to determine Of what conditions we shall stand upon?
hath the prince john
That is intended in the general’s name:
I muse you make so slight a question.
That is intended in the general’s name: I muse you make so slight a question.
That is intended in the general’s name: I muse you make so slight a question.
that intended the
Then take, my Lord of Westmoreland, this schedule,
For this contains our general grievances.
Each several article herein redress’d,
All members of our cause, both here and hence,
That are insinew’d to this action,
Acquitted by a true substantial form
And present execution of our wills
To us and to our purposes confined,
We come within our awful banks again
And knit our powers to the arm of peace.
Then take, my Lord of Westmoreland, this schedule, For this contains our general grievances. Each several article herein redress’d, All members of our cause, both here and hence, That are insinew’d to this action, Acquitted by a true substantial form And present execution of our wills To us and to our purposes confined, We come within our awful banks again And knit our powers to the arm of peace.
Then take, my Lord of Westmoreland, this schedule, For this contains our general grievances. Each several article herein redress’d, All memb...
then take, lord
This will I show the general. Please you, lords,
In sight of both our battles we may meet,
And either end in peace, which God so frame!
Or to the place of difference call the swords
Which must decide it.
This will I show the general. Please you, lords, In sight of both our battles we may meet, And either end in peace, which God so frame! Or to the place of difference call the swords Which must decide it.
This will I show the general. Please you, lords, In sight of both our battles we may meet, And either end in peace, which God so frame! Or t...
this will show the
My lord, we will do so.
My lord, we will do so.
My lord, we will do so.
lord, will
There is a thing within my bosom tells me
That no conditions of our peace can stand.
There is a thing within my bosom tells me That no conditions of our peace can stand.
There is a thing within my bosom tells me That no conditions of our peace can stand.
there thing within
Young Mowbray's speech about his father's fate reaches back to the opening act of Richard II. At Coventry, Henry Bolingbroke and old Mowbray were about to settle their quarrel by trial by combat — the medieval system where truth was determined by who won. Richard II stopped the duel and banished both men. Old Mowbray died in exile, unable to fight or clear his name. Young Mowbray's point — 'what thing in honor had my father lost that need to be revived in me?' — is unanswerable. Estates can be returned. A chance to fight for one's honor cannot be restored posthumously. The rebellion, for Mowbray, has this extra dimension: it's the duel Richard interrupted, finally being fought.
Fear you not that: if we can make our peace
Upon such large terms and so absolute
As our conditions shall consist upon,
Our peace shall stand as firm as rocky mountains.
Fear you not that: if we can make our peace Upon such large terms and so absolute As our conditions shall consist upon, Our peace shall stand as firm as rocky mountains.
Fear you not that: if we can make our peace Upon such large terms and so absolute As our conditions shall consist upon, Our peace shall stan...
fear you not that:
Yea, but our valuation shall be such
That every slight and false-derived cause,
Yea, every idle, nice, and wanton reason,
Shall to the King taste of this action;
That, were our royal faiths martyrs in love,
We shall be winnow’d with so rough a wind
That even our corn shall seem as light as chaff
And good from bad find no partition.
Yea, but our valuation shall be such That every slight and false-derived cause, Yea, every idle, nice, and wanton reason, Shall to the King taste of this action; That, were our royal faiths martyrs in love, We shall be winnow’d with so rough a wind That even our corn shall seem as light as chaff And good from bad find no partition.
Yea, but our valuation shall be such That every slight and false-derived cause, Yea, every idle, nice, and wanton reason, Shall to the King ...
yea, but our valuation shall
No, no, my lord. Note this; the King is weary
Of dainty and such picking grievances;
For he hath found to end one doubt by death
Revives two greater in the heirs of life;
And therefore will he wipe his tables clean
And keep no tell-tale to his memory
That may repeat and history his loss
To new remembrance. For full well he knows
He cannot so precisely weed this land
As his misdoubts present occasion.
His foes are so enrooted with his friends
That, plucking to unfix an enemy,
He doth unfasten so and shake a friend.
So that this land, like an offensive wife
That hath enraged him on to offer strokes,
As he is striking, holds his infant up
And hangs resolved correction in the arm
That was uprear’d to execution.
No, no, my lord. Note this; the King is weary Of dainty and such picking grievances; For he has found to end one doubt by death Revives two greater in the heirs of life; And therefore will he wipe his tables clean And keep no tell-tale to his memory That may repeat and history his loss To new remembrance. For full well he knows He cannot so precisely weed this land As his misdoubts present occasion. His foes are so enrooted with his friends That, plucking to unfix an enemy, He does unfasten so and shake a friend. So that this land, like an offensive wife That has enraged him on to offer strokes, As he is striking, holds his infant up And hangs resolved correction in the arm That was uprear’d to execution.
No, no, my lord. Note this; the King is weary Of dainty and such picking grievances; For he has found to end one doubt by death Revives two ...
no, no, lord. note
Besides, the King hath wasted all his rods
On late offenders, that he now doth lack
The very instruments of chastisement;
So that his power, like to a fangless lion,
May offer, but not hold.
Besides, the King has wasted all his rods On late offenders, that he now does lack The very instruments of chastisement; So that his power, like to a fangless lion, May offer, but not hold.
Besides, the King has wasted all his rods On late offenders, that he now does lack The very instruments of chastisement; So that his power, ...
besides, the king hath wasted
’Tis very true,
And therefore be assured, my good Lord Marshal,
If we do now make our atonement well,
Our peace will, like a broken limb united,
Grow stronger for the breaking.
’Tis very true, And therefore be assured, my good Lord Marshal, If we do now make our atonement well, Our peace will, like a broken limb united, Grow stronger for the breaking.
’Tis very true, And therefore be assured, my good Lord Marshal, If we do now make our atonement well, Our peace will, like a broken limb uni...
’tis very true, and therefore
Be it so.
Here is return’d my Lord of Westmoreland.
Be it so. Here is return’d my Lord of Westmoreland.
Be it so. Here is return’d my Lord of Westmoreland.
so. here
The prince is here at hand. Pleaseth your lordship
To meet his Grace just distance ’tween our armies.
The prince is here at hand. Pleaseth your lordship To meet his Grace just distance ’tween our armies.
The prince is here at hand. Pleaseth your lordship To meet his Grace just distance ’tween our armies.
the prince here
Your Grace of York, in God’s name then set forward.
Your Grace of York, in God’s name then set forward.
Your Grace of York, in God’s name then set forward.
your grace york,
Before, and greet his Grace. My lord, we come.
Before, and greet his Grace. My lord, we come.
Before, and greet his Grace. My lord, we come.
before, and greet his grace.
The Reckoning
This is the first act of the Gaultree betrayal — the most politically cold-blooded moment in both Henry IV plays. The Archbishop is handling himself with dignity and sophistication: his defense of why a man of peace leads a war is genuinely compelling. Westmoreland is handling himself with barely disguised contempt. Mowbray suspects a trap. Hastings doesn't. The scene ends with both sides moving toward a meeting in good faith — but the audience has been watching enough of this play to sense that good faith in this world is always the setup for something worse.
If this happened today…
A labor union has called a strike outside the corporate headquarters. The CEO's representative arrives and asks: 'Weren't your concerns already addressed? Why did you make this look like a radical action?' The union leader says: 'We tried everything through proper channels. No one would see us. We had no choice.' The union's suspicious member says: 'Don't trust this offer — it's a maneuver.' The optimistic member says: 'If they put it in writing we'll be fine.' The leader hands over the list of demands. The CEO's representative takes it back to his boss. Everyone moves toward a handshake.